Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Creation and the Expanding Universe, Part II

And on the 7th day...

...

...we looked at more potential franchise cornerstones for our creation.

Phatsnapper
Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Madison Bumgarner (21) 0 0 0 10 1.80 1.10
Neftali Feliz (22) 1 0 2 39 1.74 0.68
David Price (25) 10 7 0 102 4.42 1.35







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Kyle Blanks (24) 24 10 22 1 0.355 0.514
Jack Cust 88 25 70 4 0.356 0.417
Yunel Escobar (28) 89 14 76 5 0.377 0.436
Brad Hawpe 82 23 86 1 0.384 0.519
Matt LaPorta (25) 29 7 21 2 0.308 0.442
Casey McGehee (28) 58 16 66 0 0.360 0.499
Nolan Reimold (27) 49 15 45 8 0.365 0.466
Travis Snider (22) 34 9 29 1 0.328 0.419
Rickie Weeks (28) 28 9 24 2 0.340 0.517
Michael Young 76 22 68 8 0.374 0.518

Much like the O.N. Thugs' roster, there are all sorts of goodies available here. We don't know much about Madison Bumgarner, other than he looked solid last year getting his cup of tea w/ the big leaguers, and that he's young. Normally, you don't think about non-closing relievers, but Feliz is really young, and appears to be a closer in waiting. On offense, Hawpe is probably the most stable production, and Young is probably the most established player. LaPorta, Blanks, and Snider are all pretty highly regarded youngsters. I think that Michael Young's move to 3B will extend his stay w/ Texas. My opinion? I'm tempted by Price, though he hasn't shown enough to lock him down in my top 12, I don't think. The Moneyball approach probably says to go w/ Hawpe, since he's proven, plays in Colorado, and still only 31. But I've always had a soft spot for Michael young, plus his production at SS this year, and 3B in the future should count as a bonus.

Quick aside: I just don't know about those 24/25 year old prospects who haven't proven it, yet. I'm of the belief that true elite sort of players make an impact in the majors by 22/23. This is a bit of an old school, scout's approach. But it just seems that the guys who get to the majors late don't have the otherworldly ability to extend their careers. Basically the theory is that everyone learns on the job, that the learning increases your overall production, but that you can only learn so much. The phenoms don't really make use of the things they learn until they slow down, and then are able to maintain their dominance. On the other hand, the players that make an impact in the show late have already done their learning, and have maxed themselves out. Once their skills take them down, it's hard for them to learn more to keep themselves on top. So, in that sense, guys like LaPorta seem like they could make an impact for a few years, as they hit their peaks, but it's hard to see them extending this into their peaks into the mid-30's.

Black Sox
Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Zach Duke 11 16 0 106 4.06 1.31
Frank Francisco 2 3 25 57 3.83 1.11
Jason Marquis 15 13 0 115 4.04 1.38







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Mike Cameron 78 24 70 7 0.342 0.452
Jorge Cantú (28) 67 16 100 3 0.345 0.443
Chris Iannetta (27) 41 16 52 0 0.344 0.460
José López (26) 69 25 96 3 0.303 0.463
Nyjer Morgan 74 3 39 42 0.369 0.388
Cody Ross (29) 73 24 90 5 0.321 0.469

Here, it appears that the choices are Jose Lopez, Chris Iannetta, and Frank Francisco. It's hard to pass up 25 HR and 96 RBI from 2B, particularly with a relatively young guy. But that .303 OBP is scary to me. Iannetta is worth considering, since he's a C, and has the Coors Field thing going for him, and is relatively young. But my recommendation is to go closer again w/ Frank Francisco. Texas seems to always have high SV guys, and even if his rate stats are only OK, he'll be a trade piece, if needed.

MuddyMushHeads
Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Johnny Cueto (24) 11 11 0 132 4.41 1.36
Tommy Hunter (24) 9 6 0 64 4.10 1.30







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Casey Blake 84 18 79 3 0.363 0.468
Rafael Furcal 92 9 47 12 0.335 0.375
Felipe López 88 9 57 6 0.383 0.427
Grady Sizemore (28) 73 18 64 13 0.343 0.445

Ordinarily, you'd be estatic with the chance to add someone like Cueto to your roster, since he's young, definitely improving, and seems to have all-star potential. But then you look down the list and see Grady Sizemore, who was dinged up last year, but is still a Yahoo! Top 25 player, and even if you discount his 2009 season off of his career numbers, still figures to be a Top 50-60 sort of player. Makes this an easy choice.

Also, as I was talking w/ CJ, one of our resident White Sox fans. She starts laughing and says something to the effect of, "He knows that Dye still isn't signed, yet, doesn't he?" When the team drafting first makes fun of your keeper choices, you may be in for some mocking and/or a long season.

JimmyDixLongballs

Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Mark Buehrle 13 10 0 105 3.84 1.25
Kevin Millwood 13 10 0 123 3.67 1.34
James Shields (28) 11 12 0 167 4.14 1.32
Edinson Vólquez (27) 4 2 0 47 4.35 1.33







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Michael Cuddyer 93 32 94 6 0.342 0.520
James Loney (26) 73 13 90 7 0.357 0.399
Alexei Ramírez (29) 71 15 68 14 0.333 0.389
Colby Rasmus (24) 72 16 52 3 0.307 0.407
Nick Swisher 84 29 82 0 0.371 0.498
Ryan Theriot 81 7 54 21 0.343 0.369

Here, we see some more options. Volquez ordinarily would be the way to go, but he's coming off of surgery, and may not be right until 2011. Buehrle, Shields, and Millwood are established, solid vets, w/ limited ceilings. Chances are, one of those players will be available in the 2nd round of expansion, so I let them pass, especially since there's so much other SP available. On offense, there's some attraction to Rasmus, since he's only 24, and Loney is this very athletic player who just can't seem to hit at home, nor has he developed the power that you'd expect from someone his size. But I think that the money play here is Cuddyer, who's 31, and appears to be playing at the level that they were expecting of him 5 or 6 years ago.

Hats For Bats
Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Erik Bedard 5 3 0 90 2.82 1.19
Derek Lowe 15 10 0 111 4.67 1.52
Jeff Niemann (27) 13 6 0 125 3.94 1.35







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Corey Hart (28) 64 12 48 11 0.335 0.418
Nick Johnson 71 8 62 2 0.426 0.405
Ryan Ludwick 63 22 97 4 0.329 0.447
Bengie Molina 52 20 80 0 0.285 0.442
Juan Rivera 72 25 88 0 0.332 0.478
Marco Scutaro 100 12 60 14 0.379 0.409
Vernon Wells 84 15 66 17 0.311 0.400

Here, you've got a couple interesting choices. Bedard's the best pitcher, but he's hurt, an dmay not be back until this summer. Derek Lowe's the brand name, and will probably be solid in ATL. Niemann's the younger, less proven, but probably option. On offense, Vernon Wells is probably the most talented. Juan Rivera is the safest bet to put up solid numbers. Molina gives you 20 HR and 80 RBI at C. Scutaro should score 100+ runs this year playing everyday in Boston. And Nick Johnson is a high OBP guy who should get some counting numbers in that Yankees lineup. You probably want to gamble with Bedard or Wells, or go with a relatively safe, relatively young pitcher in Niemann. I think that I go with Niemann here.

Benver Droncos
Player W L SV K ERA WHIP
Brian Fuentes 1 5 48 46 3.93 1.40
Hiroki Kuroda 8 7 0 87 3.76 1.14
Jarrod Washburn 9 9 0 100 3.78 1.19
Kerry Wood 3 3 20 63 4.25 1.38







Player R HR RBI SB OBP SLG
Marlon Byrd 66 20 89 8 0.329 0.479
Franklin Gutiérrez (27) 85 18 70 16 0.339 0.425
Brandon Inge 71 27 84 2 0.314 0.406
Garrett Jones (29) 45 21 44 10 0.372 0.567

Keep it simple. Fuentes. Anytime you can dig up the SV leader for all of baseball? You take him. He may not be in your long term plans, but there are a number of teams that would trade a legit position player for him.

So what does the roster look like now?

SP - Jurrjens, Lilly, Oswalt, Niemann,
RP - Wagner, Fuentes, Francisco
1B - Butler
2B/SS - Cabrera
SS/3B - Young
OF - Sizemore, Cuddyer

This is starting to look like a pretty decent team, and a top half finish starts to look like a legit possibility. You've got a couple relatively young arms (Jurrjens and Niemann) to go with a couple vets (Oswalt and Lilly). You have 3 closers, who you can hang on to, or trade for legit talent. You could look for one or two more SP, and looking for potential closers could make for trade pieces. But you've got the core of a nice pitching staff.

On offense, you have a potential superstar (Sizemore) some established talent (Young, Cuddyer) to go with some youth (Butler and Cabrera). Most teams are going to be scrambling for a C and a middle IF position, anyway, so you're not really missing out. Now, you need to round out the lineup with another OF, and maybe a couple potential production guys at UTIL.

Some of the rosters will still have some strong players left after the next 6 protected players, so you'll get some more help there.

And on the 8th day? Well, now it's time to prep for the next round of keepers, and get ready for the draft.

In any case, we'll see what the Milwaukee Whiffers choose to do (whose bright idea was it to place a 2nd UPL team in Milwaukee, anyway?).

-Chairman (aka O.N. Thugs)

11 comments:

Pauly said...

wow your choices greatly differ from mine....we definitely had competing strategies for the expansion team.

Yours:
SP - Jurrjens, Lilly, Oswalt, Niemann,
RP - Wagner, Fuentes, Francisco
1B - Butler
2B/SS - Cabrera
SS/3B - Young
OF - Sizemore, Cuddyer

Mine:
SP- Vazquez, Garza, Lilly, Floyd
RP- None
1B- Garrett Jones
3B- Chris Davis
SS- Andrus, Escobar
OF - Rasmus, Sizemore, Morgan, Rivera

I think you can get a lot more talent by foregoing the closers, but then again, you can trade away those closers just as easily.

Here's my take: http://pauly-fantasysports.blogspot.com/2010/03/expansion-plan.html

Chairman said...

Your strategy would be solid, as well, building young on offense. The reason for the closers is because they'll carry trade value, where you can get back a prospect plus something else, rather than just taking a prospect now.

Now, if I was going to go with a youth strategy, I'd agree with a bunch of your choices, including Davis, Andrus, Rasmus.

Places where I'd argue with you. If you're going young, Butler >> Jones, if you look at the ages. I really think that Jurrjens from Westy is the play - he's younger than Garza and has been good both seasons, whereas Garza is a work in progress.

Morgan is 30, and shouldn't really be considered.

I like Escobar, but I don't know if you want to be redundant at SS. Andrus is much younger than Escobar. If you're going the young route, then you take David Price off of Phatsnapper.

Finally, Floyd's 6 years younger than Oswalt, but Floyd's career best (2008) is very similar to Oswalt's career worst (2009).

I think that the biggest question is what you can get from other teams for those closers, and past history suggests that closers are highly valued here.

clauff said...

Roland, I don't understand how you're getting the kind of trade value from RP's that you're claiming here. They seem to be a dime a dozen, outside of the top 7-8 closers. Every year, there are probably 7-8 closers that lead their teams in saves that were setup men at the beginning of the year.

Anyways, I'd be interested in hearing where you're coming from in that regards.

CLauff

clauff said...

Also, I've got the beginning thoughts of a post, but want to wait until Jeff has a chance to pick his guys from the 2 rounds of expansion draft. Speaking of, when are his picks due to you?

Clauff

clauff said...

My strategy is sort of a combination of Pauly's and Roland's. In an expansion position, you don't expect to win for 2-3 years, so set yourself up now with young talent, with a few veterans to keep you from wanting to killing yourself while waiting to get to the top. Here's what I'd do:

SP - Bumgarner, Jurrjens, Oswalt, Lilly
RP - Fuentes, Francisco
C - Martin
1B - Butler
3B - Chris Davis
OF - Sizemore, Rivera, Rasmus

I tend to value (young) pitching over hitting, even though I think it's a bit easier to find reliable pitching over hitting when looking at these sorts of players. I like the mix of young and old pitching above with Bumgarner/Jurrjens and Oswalt/Lilly. I also like leaving the first 12 picks with closers, and neither Francisco nor Fuentes are a tweaked elbow away from retiring.

Obviously, Sizemore is the best value here (big help in runs and steals, some pop and some OBP), but I also think that Chris Davis can help carry your team in HRs and RBIs while Butler makes up for his lack of .OBP.

Just my two cents.

Chairman said...

C-Lauff. There are a few available in FA. It's a lot like drafting QB early in fantasy football. There are 30 of them available, and some of them will do really well. But it's hard to know who may do well, unless you lock in quality.

And if you look at recent history.

Last year, Fuentes for Clayton Kershaw (who was more than just a prospect). Could have gotten Volquez (pre-injury) or Jared Weaver.

Last year, Lidge plus Burrell (so really, only Lidge) for Zambrano and Floyd.

And this year, I've already gotten an offer of a two top 100 Yahoo picks for Bailey.

clauff said...

Wow, someone must really want you to win, Roland. I never get deals like that. Fuentes for Kershaw was a steal last year, and is looking like even more of a steal as time goes on.

CLauff

Chairman said...

C-Lauff

It's an interesting question, when you see guys like Chris Davis and his really, really low OBP. Similar story for Rasmus. My take on offense builds on OBP first, so it drives me nuts to see .320 in that column... and that would be a number that Davis would've killed for last year.

Here's the interesting question. If Wagner goes out and throws like he did last year, and is on pace for 35-40 SV, can you get more value back than Chris Davis? I'd bet that you could. And I bet that you can get back something interesting from Westy for Cuddyer.

I would have been perfectly OK with losing Russell Martin :-) But I'm sort of OK with keeping him. That's why I said that my team was full of goodies. 3 previews, 3 different selections. And you could make legit picks w/ Harden, Borbon, or even Posada. Also, note that we've got 3 different choices for Rup's 13th best player, which suggests that at the very least, he's strong 1 through 15.

That said, this is an inexact science (and that's being generous - we may as well be flipping coins on a Ouija board).

Chairman said...

C-Lauff

You are aware that Fuentes led the majors in SV last year, aren't you? There's a market for SV - always has been, if you were looking for it.

At some point, I need to put up a post to numerically justify what I'm doing w/ closers, if for no other reason than to prove to myself that I'm not nuts :-) All I know is that "Roland's Merry Band of Closers" (as dubbed by Westy when I first went down this path) has been putting up strong pitching numbers since 2004. And I'll also explain why this may be a phenomena unique to the UPL, and why dominant set-up guys are actually valuable for us.

Pauly said...

well now that there are 3 different takes on the roster, it will be interesting to see how it goes.

Chairman -- I also found out last year (after the halfway mark) that dominant setup guys and closers can be the key to winning (if you have a few great starters to carry you). I just couldnt really do anything with that knowledge last year.

Greg McConnell said...

Very interesting discussion about the keepers. I see that Jeff has made his picks. Looks like he stayed fairly close to the Chairman's analysis.

BTW, I'll look forward to your post about closers and set-up guys.